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	<title>The Journey of a Thousand Miles... &#187; electrolysis</title>
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		<title>Back to work</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fitted poly-bushes, cleaned front uprights in electrolysis cell. Got pedal box, master cylinders, shocks.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure style="width: 500px;" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a title="Fitting poly-bushes smeared in red &quot;Rubber Grease&quot;" rel="lightbox" href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_fHMN5wFoI/AAAAAAAAAGY/Sx8GnbDdSBg/s800/IMG_3534.jpg"><img class="   " title="Bushes and grease" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_fHMN5wFoI/AAAAAAAAAGY/Sx8GnbDdSBg/s800/IMG_3534.jpg" alt="Red rubber grease" width="500" height="333" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Fitting poly-bushes smeared in red &quot;Rubber Grease&quot;</figcaption></figure>
<p>Work has recommenced, and we&#8217;ve done quite well. D fitted the poly-bushes to all the relevant bits on the wishbones &#8211; 22 of them. This is a bit of a fiddly job, and considering it involves grease, it is not exactly clean either. The process involved putting &#8220;Red Rubber Grease&#8221; on the inner and outer part of both halves of the plastic bush. Then putting some more grease (just in case) on the surface where it fits into the wishbone. The greasy bushes were then inserted into the wishbone, and the steel tube in the center inserted last (while trying hard to prevent it pushing the bush out the other side. Easy job when you&#8217;ve just go to do one. Bit more of a mission when there are 22. A rubber mallet and vice were called in to assist where necessary.</p>
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<p>I set to using the shiny electrolysis cell for the first time. We&#8217;d got the front uprights and rear hubs back from being machined, and now the uprights were ready to be cleaned and painted.</p>
<figure style="width: 240px;" class="wp-caption alignright"><a title="Electrolysis cell ready to go" rel="lightbox" href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_fHZPz8hmI/AAAAAAAAAGo/4tpzFGtEfjU/s800/IMG_3542.jpg"><img class=" " title="Electrolytic cleaning of front uprights" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_fHZPz8hmI/AAAAAAAAAGo/4tpzFGtEfjU/s288/IMG_3542.jpg" alt="Electrolysis cell ready to go" width="240" height="160" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Electrolysis cell ready to go</figcaption></figure>
<p>The cell will use caustic soda as the alkaline salt &#8211; nasty stuff. I initially used about 2 tablespoons in 30l, but then upped it to about 6 tablespoons. I honestly don&#8217;t think it makes much difference, and the uprights don&#8217;t really need to be too beautiful anyway. Suspending them such that they were completely covered, but avoiding submerging the charger crocodile clip was quite challenging. Eventually a wheel bolt and nut were used, with a piece of plastic hose used as a spacer. I managed to fit both in at the same time, which was great.</p>
<p>The battery charger was set to 6V &#8211; a check after increasing the NaOH concentration indicated that each upright was drawing 1A. This seems a bit high, but they a much greater surface area than a bolt, and it drew 250mA during my test runs.</p>
<p>The intention is to run the cell for 3 days &#8211; to make sure all the rust is loosened. They will then be scrubbed, and painted using Durum NS5 (etch primer) and NS8 (topcoat). The exciting colour we have chosen is&#8230; black.</p>
<p>We have also bought some new bits &#8211; very exciting. We have a pedal box, brake and clutch cylinders (they go with the pedals), shock absorbers and associated connectors. This means we have a lot of things that we can do before spending any more money, and when we are done we should have an almost rolling chassis (without wheels).</p>
<p>Oh, we are missing bolts. We don&#8217;t have any &#8211; seems that may limit what we can do. Saturday is bolt-buying day &#8211; we have placed our order and are holding thumbs that we can fetch it tomorrow.</p>
<p>I also found out something interesting today, from the Oracle. RivNuts &#8211; these are cool. I have yet to see one in real life, but it seems they&#8217;re kinda like rivets, but result in a threaded nut attached to whatever panel you affixed them to. Very useful for bodywork. We&#8217;re gonna get us some RivNuts!</p>
<p>B</p>
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		<title>Electrolysis for rust removal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B]]></dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[General]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Test of electrolysis method for rust removal.]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the first things I found when first looking into building a Locost was the use of electrolysis to remove rust from donor parts. This is described by some as &#8220;magical&#8221;, so it had to be worth a look.</p>
<p>There seem to be two schools of thought &#8211; high current vs. low current. The high current method just uses a 12V battery charger as a power source, whereas the low-current method tries to maintain the current flow at around 250mA by adjusting the applied voltage. The benefit of the low-current method is that it is more gentle, and should be able to convert &#8220;intermediate&#8221; rust back into iron metal. This should reduce pitting of the final finish. The high-current method generates a lot more gas, and so might loosen rust better than the low-current method making it easier to clean after electrolysis.</p>
<p>I decided to conduct a test to see if the low-current method was worth the extra effort. This test is not overly scientific (scientific tests take a LOT of effort), but was interesting to conduct.</p>
<p>I select two rusty (but not heavily rusted) bolts that I had removed from one of the wheel stubs. They were cleaned in detergent and ammonia to remove any residual grease.</p>
<figure style="width: 500px;" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a rel="lightbox" title="Bolts prior to electrolysis, low-voltage subject on left" href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gLZKXyt1I/AAAAAAAAARQ/0xMvzliCLAk/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%281%20of%201%29.jpg"><img class=" " title="Bolts prior to electrolysis" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gLZKXyt1I/AAAAAAAAARQ/0xMvzliCLAk/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%281%20of%201%29.jpg" alt="Bolts prior to electrolysis" width="500" height="333" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Bolts prior to electrolysis, low-voltage subject on left</figcaption></figure>
<p>Then two electrolytic cells were built, using the highly scientific jam-jar configuration. One was powered by a wall-wart at 3V, the other by a car charger at 12V (later halved to 6V to avoid meltdown).</p>
<figure style="width: 500px;" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a rel="lightbox" title="Low-current on the left, high-current on the right" href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gJuFVSk0I/AAAAAAAAAQg/8uZcIZVmnJo/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%282%20of%2011%29.jpg"><img title="Experimental setup" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gJuFVSk0I/AAAAAAAAAQg/8uZcIZVmnJo/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%282%20of%2011%29.jpg" alt="Low-current on the left, high-current on the right" width="500" height="333" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Low-current on the left, high-current on the right</figcaption></figure>
<p>The solution consisted of 3g of NaOH (caustic soda) in 1L water. Internet sources indicate fairly varying concentrations (from 2%, which is very strong, to &#8220;a tablespoon per gallon&#8221;). I think my solution could be a little stronger, but it really does not need to be much stronger. The concentration does not play a large role in the success of the method, so err on the side of weaker. Be very careful with this stuff &#8211; it will eat through flesh. It also reacts exo-thermically with water, so fill your cell with water and then slowly drop the crystals into it, not the other way round (i.e. so there&#8217;s lots of water to keep things cool)*.</p>
<p>The current was around 300mA for the low-current cell, and initially about 1.2A for the high-current cell. The bolts were left to stew for about 40 hours. After just 2 hours at 12V I realised it was getting too hot (it was too hot to touch) so I dropped it to 6V (and physics tells us that the current would similarly reduce by half). Even at this level the solution produced a large amount of gas. The low-current solution did produce gas, but not much. The liquid level did drop during the course of the experiment (probably a combination of evaporation and that the gas is produced from the water). Another word on the gas &#8211; it is an explosive mixture of hydrogen and oxygen so keep the room well ventilated and away from sparks.</p>
<p>Finally the bolts were removed &#8211; this is what they looked like:</p>
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<p><figure style="width: 240px;" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a rel="lightbox" title="Bolt after 40 hours in low-current cell" href="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gKj9_GiSI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/UQGCCQVzLM8/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%288%20of%2011%29.jpg"><img class=" " title="Low current" src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gKj9_GiSI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/UQGCCQVzLM8/s288/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%288%20of%2011%29.jpg" alt="Bolt from low-current cell" width="240" height="160" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Bolt after 40 hours in low-current cell</figcaption></figure></td>
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<p><figure style="width: 240px;" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a rel="lightbox" title="Bolt after 40 hours in high-current cell" href="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gKb5xIa4I/AAAAAAAAAQ0/_TxGST1nhBk/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%287%20of%2011%29.jpg"><img class=" " title="High-current" src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gKb5xIa4I/AAAAAAAAAQ0/_TxGST1nhBk/s288/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%287%20of%2011%29.jpg" alt="Bolt from high-current cell" width="240" height="160" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Bolt after 40 hours in high-current cell</figcaption></figure></td>
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<p>When cleaned up, the bolts looked like this:</p>
<figure style="width: 500px;" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><a rel="lightbox" title="Appearance after scouring: Low-current on left, high-current on right" href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gKs-sPSzI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/IF3vbaI6BjI/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%289%20of%2011%29.jpg"><img class=" " title="De-rusted bolts" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gKs-sPSzI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/IF3vbaI6BjI/s288/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%289%20of%2011%29.jpg" alt="Low-current on left, high-current on right" width="500" height="333" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Appearance after scouring: Low-current on left, high-current on right</figcaption></figure>
<p>A nylon nail-brush and a green plastic scourer were the only things used for cleaning. The high-current bolt wasn&#8217;t noticeably easier to clean, although it ended up shinier than the other. It also seemed cleaner to start with (whereas the low-current bolt looked almost unchanged from the start).</p>
<p>Careful examination of the bolts seems to indicate that the high-current bolt is more pitted than the low-current bolt. A double-blind statistical analysis revealed that the low-current bolt was indeed less pitted (i.e I asked the missus for her opinion without telling her which was which. I didn&#8217;t look at the her or the bolts during this process, hence it qualifies as double-blind).</p>
<p>My conclusion is that the low-current method results in a better final product, with more of the original metal recovered from the rust. I&#8217;ll be using this method, aiming for about 250mA.</p>
<p>I also finished construction of my large-scale electrolysis cell:</p>
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<p><figure style="width: 240px;" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a rel="lightbox" title="Anode of electrolysis cell" href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gK2GJWk5I/AAAAAAAAARA/pBgt_rwphuA/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%2810%20of%2011%29.jpg"><img title="Electrolysis cell - anode" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gK2GJWk5I/AAAAAAAAARA/pBgt_rwphuA/s288/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%2810%20of%2011%29.jpg" alt="Anode of electrolysis cell" width="240" height="160" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Anode of electrolysis cell</figcaption></figure></td>
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<p><figure style="width: 240px;" class="wp-caption alignnone"><a rel="lightbox" title="Anode installed in electrolysis cell (45l plastic container)" href="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gK-M5a15I/AAAAAAAAARE/R8V4ZZbKDds/s800/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%2811%20of%2011%29.jpg"><img title="Anode in cell" src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/_w-48POyKAOI/S_gK-M5a15I/AAAAAAAAARE/R8V4ZZbKDds/s288/Electrolysis%202010-01-10%20%2811%20of%2011%29.jpg" alt="Anode installed in electrolysis cell (45l plastic container)" width="240" height="160" /></a><figcaption class="wp-caption-text">Anode installed in electrolysis cell (45l plastic container)</figcaption></figure></td>
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<p>The anode has been constructed from mild steel, and is supposed to provide maximum line of sight interaction with the subject being treated. When the uprights are back from machining they will be the first subjects.</p>
<p>B</p>
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